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A parent protesting about not being listened to about school support

Are Schools IGNORING Parents’ Concerns?

When it comes to school support are schools ignoring parents concerns?

In our experience its and overwhelming yes and its bl__dy frustrating!!!

This is our experience, your school and experience may be different (we hope it is).  The schools we interacted with where both outstanding rated.

I’m Not Being Listened To By My Child’s School.

Let set down exactly what we mean.  Our children were displaying different behaviours at school to home.  Nothing unusual or concerning about that you say?  Well there is.

Girls especially are good at masking.

Getting to school was a nightmare.  Lots of tears, push back and emotion.  The morning routine became a horrible chore of distress and anxiety. This was a horrible and draining way to start the day.  We dreaded mornings but every day we got them up and at least one would have a melt down.  That the way it was.

Screaming Stops at the school gates.

The school didn’t see this as when we got near the school gates the children would ‘calm’ and turn into robots.  it was so sad to see.   At school they were outwardly model students and  quietly just got on with it.  In  reality they were just masking.  Turning into statues so no one would notice them but all the time rage was building up.

The Angry Child Erupts The Moment they walk through the door from school.

Once their back from school the anger comes out and it was unleashed on mum.  This is a horrible and very hurtful thing to endure even if you understand they only do this because the feel safe enough to do it.

The lack of joined up approach from school.

We spoke to our children and they spoke of the pressure of school.  Learning was too difficult.  School too noisy and chaotic. When you say things like this to schools it can get their backs up straight away and they go on the defensive citing all manner of things.

School Support  – Reality 

The children have never come to us and said this – they won’t their far to scared to do that.

They look fine at school – their just masking fear and anxiety 

We don’t see any of that behaviour – see above

We can’t do anything if we don’t see the behaviour – I feel like you don’t believe me.

Our hands are tied – Are they really? 

What Does It Feel Like when Schools Don’t Accept Your Comments or Worse Effectively Ignore You.

You sit in a meeting and share your feedback on what your child is like at home. What the morning school run and after school child is like.  The extremes of behaviour, anxiety and sadness.  The angry or deflated robot child.

You share this to tell the school what is happening.  Inform them of the behaviour with the expectation this will make a difference and they will take notice and make allowances for your child at school but they don’t.  The head of year or whoever it is looks at you and say something like ‘that’s surprising as we don’t see that behaviour at school’.

Why don’t schools believe parents?

We’ve sat in meeting where they’ve asked whats going on at home.  Is there something else happening that would explaining the behaviour.

To an outsider this might sound reasonable as they don’t see the behaviour in school but its not.  As a parent you don’t feel believed.  that you don’t know your own children and this is incredibly annoying and frustrating.

School support can impact home life and schools don’t ways recognise this.

Schools don’t want to accept or create issues they don’t see.

Schools can be reluctant to hear you. They don’t want to create issues that don’t exist for them.  What happens at school is different to home.  They say the right things about being joined up with parents but it doesn’t work in practice.

This just makes your blood boil and its easy to get annoyed and emotional.  Its too much.  You can see the bahaviour at home and that the school need to make allowances but the message isn’t getting through.

That horrible moment when you know nothing is going to change and school support isn’t forthcoming.

At That moment you can feel the floor opening up and you falling in. If school doesn’t believe you nothing will change.  You and you child will continue the cycle of pain and emotion.

Its so bl__dy frustrating and draining. Being a parent is hard enough without having to fight schools to get the help and support your child needs and would Benefit from.

Is OFSTED To Blame as Schools Hide behind their OFSTED rating.

One strange thing was the school repeating back their OFSTED rating to us.  You know we are an Outstanding school.  Like this solves your child’s problem.  It doesn’t and schools are quick to point this out. Their right and your wrong.

The schools (both Outstanding Rated) put a lot of faith in the outstanding rating and yes its good but it doesn’t mean the school is always right.  It doesn’t mean the school knows everything. It doesn’t mean they know and understand your child.

In our experience outstanding can be running a tight ship to keep the outstanding but it can also be not wanting anything to put that rating at risk.  Not wanting to accept faults in the school or the system. How can there be as we got an outstanding rating?

Primary schools don’t want to tackle problems and cite age.  They’re too young or they’ll grow out of it.  Kicking the can down the road to secondary schools.

This is our understanding and perception.

Keep Your Cool

In our experience the worst thing you can do is lose your cool.  Its very hard not to when your not being heard but losing your cool doesn’t help. In fact it just reinforces the idea that there must be more going on here and  weakens your argument.  You feel your access to school support slip away even more.

You become (or feel) labelled as a disruptive parent.

What to do when schools don’t listen.

Don’t give up.  Share videos of home behaviour.  Get professional assessments (Difficult we know) as evidence counts.  Schools listen more to professionals.  Schools should support you and recognise the home behaviour for what it is.  Not bad behaviour but a child being overwhelmed. Schools can give brain breaks and allocate hall passes to allow movement during quieter times.  These simple things helped our children but they took alot.

Don’t ever feel you are an inconvenience. Put your child’s view across and make it the schools problem as well. Not in an unreasonable way but in a way that presents the problem and what you want as a solution.

Schools understandably don’t like being flexible but one size doesn’t fit every child.

Do Schools need to see the behaviour to allocate School Support?

If our experience yes.  Schools don’t listen to parents where they behaviour isn’t being repeated at school.  We took videos and audio and shared that with the school but while they acknowledge the behaviour at home this doesn’t mean school support is forthcoming but the videos did help soften their approach.

Finding the right person.

Like many things in life finding the right person really helps.  The person who gets it and understands the problem.  We did this by having meetings with the school. Explaining the situation, our frustration and showing them videos of our children having melt downs and anger out bursts.

Get professionals to agree with you.  Get an EHCP if you can.

Schools can listen more to professionals or its more difficult for them to ignore you when a professional agrees with you.  Our experience is the latter. Get an EHCP is you can.  Yes it can be difficult but it puts a clear requirement on the school and if that school can’t meet the ECHP requirement you can seek alternatives.

An ECHP should give you eligibility to more school support.

Keep notes.  Send Emails

Put your lawyers hat on.  Make a record of events at home to find a connection with school.  Changing for PE was a trigger for our child.  Note interactions with school and the local authority.  note when you raised concerns and if its verbally send an email confirming the conversation / concern.  Its more difficult for the school to deny responsibility when you have an audit trail.  This sounds difficult but its all possible and its so worth it if your school says they didn’t know and you can produce evidence of them being told and concerns raised especially if your specific.

If Schools Listened and were more flexible.

It seems a better solution for schools to listen to parents more.  We understand our children and have an idea what they need and what things trigger them.  We understand schools are challenging and they provide the building blocks of life but sometimes small changes and provisions can make a big difference.

Using a laptop instead of a pen/pencil.

Having Brain Breaks.

Having a hall pass to move at quieter times.

Doing a reduced timetable when it get too much.

Getting help is vital!!!.

For us the key was getting help.  Getting people who understand what we were saying and most notably understood how schools can behave.  How they can shut themselves off to parents input.

We got support, help and direction.  We collected evidence and times.  We presented it in meetings.  We kept raising the issues.  We feedback quickly and feedback from our children.  We made it difficult for them to ignore our concerns. Difficult not to give us school support.

Its very demoralising sitting in a school meeting and not being heard when you know your right.  Sometimes just having someone say they understand and your right is enough to relight that fire in you and go back to the school.

Please Don’t Give UP

We know its hard.  We know its emotional and draining but if your in that same situation or similar of not being believed.  Not being  understood.  Don’t give up.  Your children will suffer and life is too short to be unhappy.

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Please get the help and school support you need.

 

 

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Home or Alternative Schooling

We did spend a lot of time in meetings and there were people in the school who eventually were being accommodating and more flexible but sometimes you have to realise mainstream school isn’t right for your child.

For us a smaller more flexible school was more suitable.

The is a big decision as mainstream schools offer so much more that smaller schools but school support is easier in a smaller setting.  Yes they’re overwhelming but sometimes its best to stick it out.  Strange to say that given everything we’ve said above but its true a smaller more flexible school might be easier for your child but its not going to be as challenging (academically) or as rich a social experience.  Stating the obvious they are for children with anxiety and social limitations.  This may not be the right environment for your child.  In our experience it wasn’t a perfect solution.

Home Schooling

For some children this works  but again we don’t think its the perfect solution.  Hours are less. Social interaction less and you are reliant on the tutor forming a nurturing relationship with your child.

 

Our Story

We ended up with a three school solution’s smaller school, home schooling and more nurturing provision within secondary school.  This took a lot of meetings and discussion. The secondary school was more flexible and with our third child reacted quickly to our concerns.

There are teachers who dismissed our concerns early on and cause untold additional work and heartache and teachers who where so determined to help us and our children they went above and beyond and to them and the school support they instigated we are forever grateful.  We hope our experience helps parents but also helps schools understand and be more open and accepting of parents input.

Schools lead to college and adult life.  The problems don’t disappear they just change.

We are an adopted family from Essex.  To preserve our children’s privacy and life we do not share any personal details.

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Parents discussing why they are bickering so much now they have kids

Why Do We FIGHT So Much NOW That We Have KIDS?

Why Are We Bickering So Much?

You promised yourselves you’d never argue in front of the kids, but suddenly you’re bickering about little things and your children’s ears are picking up every word.
Do We FIGHT More As PARENTS Now Than Before Having Kids?
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Are you tired of feeling like you’re constantly at odds with your partner since having kids? You’re not alone! Many couples experience an increase in conflict after having children, and it’s not because they’re bad partners, parents or people.

In this blog we’re exploring the reasons behind why we fight so much more now that we have kids. From the added stress and responsibilities of parenthood to the changes in our relationships and identities, we’re exploring the common causes of conflict and offering practical tips on how to navigate these challenges and strengthen your relationship.

If you’re ready to stop fighting and bickering and ready to start connecting with your partner again then read on!


Before having children, in those early stress-free days of marriage, I don’t remember many arguments.


The worst disagreements were because I spent too much time in the pub, or I forgot to get an anniversary card, and the most frequent argument was probably about the TV remote.

For me,

 “Life is just too short to spend it arguing”. 

It was always just better to put your cards on the table and find a compromise. Never go to bed on an argument.

What a surprise it was then to have the arguments I’ve had since having children.

Suddenly things get a lot more heated, and a lot more often.

Maybe it’s the lack of sleep.

Maybe it’s because babies  just won’t stop crying.



Maybe it’s because it just never ends.

Do Kids CHANGE Your Relationship Forever?

I think the real reason, the underlying cause for the intensity and bickering, is that it’s the most significant role you have ever had. Your anchored to your child. You probably spend more practical time together and less fun time.  The old carefree abandon days disappear and your life changes.  This is a good thing but it creates more opportunity for argument and bickering.  There is more to think about and more to disagree on.  

Yes, being tired isn’t helping, nor is the constant stress. Sometimes you bring your ideas about how things should be done from your own childhood, or you realise just how strongly you feel about an issue. Bringing up a child is hard work and you do a lot for your children. You need to do a lot. There’s lots of opportunities to disagree and bicker over simple things. 

But the times we get angry or passionate the most about something is when we care the most.

Even when we know this some parenting disagreements are inevitable, but how you handle them could shape your child’s sense of security for years to come.

Can Family Harmony SURVIVE When You Are Bickering So Much?

What’s the best way to handle disagreements and do the best for your family?

For me, the first step in any argument is to stay respectful and listen to each other’s opinions. Do this apart from your children whenever possible, as it’s better than constantly bickering in front of them.  Being a parent can be chaotic and staying calm is difficult.  Learn to step back and breathe. Don’t let bickering escalate.  Step back and think about what you are disagreeing about and how you can resolve it.  Sometimes taking a minute to breathe can help so much.  Taking the emotion out really helps.

Prevent PETTY Arguments and Bickering in Your Family for GOOD?

Discussing things in advance allows a more harmonious, unified approach as parents. Agree an approach and stick to it.  Try to predict issues and agree solutions. 

Spending quality time together as a couple and a family helps build stronger foundations.  It helps you connect together and keep that communications going.  Going for a walk together is a great way of communicating and resolving.  Walking engages your brain and the physical movement of walking regulates your body and heart beat. 

Letting your child know that a difference of opinion is normal. People argue. I’m sure your children are bickering all the time.  Being able to resolve an arguments is a life skill and there will always be arguments in healthy relationships.  This is different to losing your cool, shouting and actual fighting goes beyond this and will last long long in your children’s memory. 

Adult life has arguments in it. This is normal, and your children will grow up having disagreements;it can be an opportunity to learn what a healthy row looks like. That its OK to have an argument.  Hopefully a calm and reasoned one but if not an argument that happened and you moved on from.  

By resolving the arguments you should reduce the bickering.  With more cohesion and harmony you should feel less inclined to bicker.

And finally, in the end, you can hopefully find a compromise that makes everyone feel happier.

Since I started doing this, we have had mostly shorter and smaller arguments. The arguments are less intense but were not looking to remove all arguments. This wouldn’t be healthy, more manage the ones we have. 

How to argue, healthily
Argue SMARTER Not Harder with Your Kids!

Everybody argues but excessive arguing and bickering isn’t healthy. 

In fact, like me, you might find you argue with your teenager more than you ever did with your partner!

Because it’s normal, maybe arguments should be seen as an opportunity to model what a healthy disagreement looks like to your children.

Knowing how to stay respectful, fair and keeping it about the topic and not making it personal are all useful skills that come up in all aspects of life, not just in families.

The fastest way to solve an argument is to make the other person feel like you are listening, that they are heard.

Listen twice as much as you speak because you were born with two ears and one mouth.

When you both feel you understand each other and aren’t just casually dismissing a viewpoint, you can come to a solution much faster and not make it about your individual egos.

What Does Your Child REALLY Think During an Argument?

When you find it hard to meet in the middle sometimes it can be helpful to ask a third party. They might have a different viewpoint that you didn’t consider. They can also sometimes act as a referee.

This can be a family friend, relative, or someone with expertise in the field you are in conflict over. For example: a teacher but sometimes the best person is your child. 

Getting your child’s viewpoint in an argument?

Is this a good idea or can of worms?  They need the maturity for this role although your child can usually add their viewpoint as it probably affects them. 

Of course, if it’s about bedtimes or how much chocolate they eat, you should be careful how much you listen to them but its quite refreshing and empowering for your child to have this power.  It Gives your child a voice at the table and presents their view. 

You need to be mindful of bringing your child into every argument but we’ve found asking for our children’s view really helps.  Sometimes were arguing as parents over something the children have clear views on and after listening to them we all agreed. Which resolved the argument far quicker.  By the same token sometimes our children’s input adds to the argument and if we don’t agree then were not listening to them, so its fraught with problems but worth giving it a go.  It might be painful at times but it can be beneficial.

Compromise.

After listening to each other, and after maybe listening to other people’s opinions, perhaps you see another option.

Maybe you feel differently about the argument, maybe it feels less important to you after all.

The best option could actually be a middle way. A compromise.

Is a COMPROMISE the BEST way to solve an argument?
Is Arguing Really Worth the Damage?

Sometimes you just have to lose the argument.

Sadly, there will always be arguments where someone has to lose.

The ones where there is no middle ground.

No compromises.

The argument just gets more personal. More destructive. Your bickering more and the bad feeling is affecting those around you. 

Being at home can even start to become unpleasant for everyone.

Maybe then it’s time to ask yourself,

Is it worth it?

Is ‘losing’ the argument worse than having the argument and bickering?

Is it better to swallow your pride and concede defeat?

Is it worth making everyone in your home miserable and missing the bigger picture?

Sometimes you might even find you were actually more wrong than right.

Good parenting can be all about the discoveries you make  and staying flexible.

 Comprise isn’t defeat or a loss.  Its a compromise.  Its thinking there is not way to resolve the argument the way i want so there must be compromise for everyone’s sake.  Arguments happen but they can’t be left to fester unresolved. Its far better to reach a result and move on.  

I look back on some of the arguments we’ve had thinking about what really were we arguing about?  Time makes arguments trivial and forgettable.  Compromises don’t seem too bad but the family happiness and co-hes-ion is what matters.

Sometimes arguments are more difficult to resolve
The toughest arguments.

Probably the most challenging disagreement I had raising my son I did not see coming.

Maybe that was part of why it was a difficult argument.

Also, as an argument about deep personal beliefs and upbringing, the volume was turned up high on the debate.

Differences of opinion on religion were always going to be hard.

So when my wife said to me, we should have a christening after my son was born, there was immediately a lump in my throat,

I respected her opinion, but it has always been important to me that my son took his own decisions and I did not make them for him.

The day he was old enough to decide for himself, I would be ordering a cake and planning a party if that’s what he wanted.

How do you work with such a big difference of opinion?

In some arguments, and this turned out to be one, it can be a good idea to talk to other people, maybe experts in a field.

For us, this was inviting a vicar to our house to talk about our concerns.

And finally, in the end, you can hopefully find a compromise that makes everyone a bit happier. In the end, this is what happened. We had a church blessing and a party afterwards.

Since then, we have had other, mostly smaller, arguments.

Mostly lately it is about how much independence to give my adolescent son.

The compromise is to always know here he is, to have curfews, and to insist he never comes back home late alone.

It became about talking to him more about what is safe and then trusting him.

Conclusions – Next Steps

Arguments and bickering is natural and sometimes healthy but when it becomes too frequent, too extreme or too emotional it becomes toxic. It has a negative impact on you and your family. You Need to recognise this and take control. Like isn’t always sunshine and roses but bringing up children in a healthy environment environment is what we want to do as parents. This isn’t easy but recognising your behaviour and the impact i has on your family and children is the first step.

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